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  • sj2273
    06-11 07:49 PM
    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.

    Dear Dilip,
    Thank you for your kind words and analysis. But I am sure you will agree to the fact that bad apples are everywhere. You were qualified - good for you! Unfortunately, we are sailing in a boat that has good and not so good people. I can quote examples where I have not only come across dishonest indians but dishonest people from every nationalitly that you know of. I have been in the field for over 13 years (not a techie) and believe me my job puts me infront of all kinds of people. Now coming to the point - we are all here to find a solution to a bigger problem - retrogression and mr. op's decree that we will have to wait for decades before we can see that 485 approval. Well, I disagree and have a gut feeling that something is wrong somewhere. Its not a clear picture. I am optimistic about the fact that if we wish, we can still have people in the government at least look at our case. There is a lot of work to be done and we need help from people like you in doing so. We need intelligent people like you to advice, suggest and generate optimism and not derail us by letting us know that Indians are dishonest, not qualified etc. We all already know that!

    That does not serve our purpose to be here. Thank you for reading my posting.





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  • rahulpaper
    06-28 06:10 PM
    and everyone started having a sane discussion...

    hope fully this would help
    http://www.imminfo.com/resources/cissop.html

    Read couple of pages forward....thanks Ramba

    All you guys forgetting main thing. Visa bulliton is not a law. It advises consular posts and USCIS to accept and approve 485s and schulde interviews in consular posts to issue IV. It is just a advisary notice to other federal agency by DOS. It is not a binding document.

    The law is "an immigrant visa should immediatly available at the time of filing AOS application" . If visas number is not available on 3rd july, DOS has a right, under the federal law, to advise USCIS and consular posts to stop accepting and approving any applications and stop issuing IV at consular posts on any date.

    If you need more evidence, browse the adjudicator field manual for 485. It says "unless any interm notice issued by DOS, visa number is available to all in entire month". Therefore the key is "unless any interm notice issued by DOS". If DOS issues notice to USCIS on June 3rd, USCIS has to stop accepting any 485.





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  • snathan
    01-16 01:36 PM
    And who is asking your advice ? This is usa and I have a right to express my views.If you don't like it please ignore my post.Who has forced you to read my post ? Who is stopping to go back to India ?

    You are not expressing your views...You are just spewing your venom and hatred. You are an ideal fit for loser's guild. I am not the one talking all BS about my employer and claiming gladly will back to India. Its YOU... if you dont remember what you are talking..I pity you. Did anyone force you to work for your employer? It was your choice and why you whine now.

    I dont want to waste my time with your garbage. Have fun.





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  • alterego
    07-24 03:27 AM
    For USCIS, 2007 was "let's reduce some backlog in EB3-category" year.
    It looks like 2008 is " let's reduce some backlog in EB2-category" year.
    On both occassions they hid their plans in right in front of us, and said "gotcha" to every one- AILA, IV prognosticators and Ron Gotchers of this world.

    I doubt USCIS will openly Re-revise the horizontal spill over policy. If they do that they may be challenged again forcing them to Re-Re-revise which will make them look even more stupider than they do now.

    There are other means by which USCIS can deliver justice- mafia style- but within the current law. They need additional help from DOS,DOL, etc.

    examples- (1) Generally sit on EB-2 adjudications, delay them and say there are unused EB2 numbers and allow them to spill over to EB-3

    (2) Clamp down even further on PERM - stretch it from 8 months to 36 months for every applicant including EB2-ROW, make even more unused numbers available to clear backlogs.


    p.s
    I do not harbor any ill-will towards ROW or any other category. I honestly think above things are possible. :)

    Not only is that possible, but they are probably likely to do so. PERM adjudications have already slowed down. 140 PP has been all but squashed and 485 adjudications appear random. So your points are well taken.



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  • kaisersose
    07-29 12:21 AM
    I presume the decrease in labour filing in 2008 might be a possibility due to the offshore Indian companies which shifting to H1B sponsorship instead of L1 sponsorship. Because most of the L1s being rejected with these companies recently. So they switching to H1 sponsorship. And obviously they normally dont sponsor GC. So this is just my thinking on why the labor filings decreased in 2008 compared to 2007.

    http://www.myvisajobs.com/reports/Sponsor/Top500_h1b_visa_sponsor_2005.pdf

    There is the added restriction that the employer has to now pay for PERM. SOme employers may have some way of working around this, but it definitely has an impact in reducing the number of applications.





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  • gapala
    04-20 04:08 PM
    Guys,

    Poll is ok, but what about our voting rights? Many countries allow citizens to use proxy vote / vote by mail to exercise their rights... I remember that there was a bill in 2006 on the floor of parlement to allow this for NRI's and Congress party was dead against such a bill due to some reason... Not sure what happened after that...

    Its rediculous that about a million folks in this country and many more around the world, (I believe 30 million or so NRI's in total) are deprived of their fundamental contitutional right to vote, well a small portion compared to total population. Its unfortunate.



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  • Googler
    02-12 01:38 PM
    I have the same question. State dept moves the date just so that the visa numbers are used for that category. If a category is retrogressed, then it can't really be "undersubscribed".

    This was listed at the bottom of the page in the March VB in state dept's website:

    The cut-off date movement for March in several Employment categories has been greater than those experienced in recent months. Advancement of the cut-off dates at this time should prevent a situation later in the fiscal year where there are large amounts of numbers available but not enough time to use them. If the expected increase in CIS number use materializes, future cut-off date movements could slow or stop.

    Mods should merge two identical threads. See my post in the other thread:
    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=222365&postcount=12





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  • mirage
    04-16 12:42 PM
    Ultimately everything boils down to corruption. Huge money is going down in the pockets of big media houses, it is so damn obvious...Hindustan times, IBN & NDTV carried pictures of Priyanka Gandhi's children for 3 days on the front page, I never saw pictures or anything on Chandrababu Naidu, Yedirappa, Badal, Gehlot, Shivraj Chauhan or for that reason anybody....these kids are more important than our grassroot leaders ? The family is talking about "Rahul kee Shaadee" and the whole media is printing that, nobody's asking them where were you and what you did in last 5 years ???



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  • snram4
    01-15 01:45 PM
    Difference between Job shops and reputed Companies

    Indian body shoppers employ a H1b Persons and many of them are in hourly. No project then no pay. Also because of H1b and GC employer has complete control over the employees about pay and other benefits. No pay in bench is violation of law and both employee and employer are willingly accept that. Because of that employer and employee does not have any risk and employer always make huge profits without exposure of any risk. Employee also does not have any risk of losing GC process. So our body shoppers are attractive destination for GC aspirants.

    The companies which follow rules are forced to pay bench or lay off. So both employee and employer are risk of survival. Companies may be under risk of heavy loss when there are too many people are in bench. That means companies which follow rules and regulations are making loss in tough times at the same time Body shops always make money and worst case scenario no loss no gain. Also GC process is uncertain for those who are working in good companies

    This inequality was known by everyone including USCIS. So they are coming up with regulations. Some good apples will also be impacted when there is a rule is formed. There is no surprise of opposition as many Indians fear that it may impact them


    If one filed I-485, isn't employee-employer relationship comes under a questionmark? what if that company is closed ? And if this memo is implemented, most of the GC filing IT Inc. will be shut down sooner and hence will be a big mess..they are the ones who are supporting for their GC.





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  • sanjay
    03-27 11:47 AM
    Boss, remove Atalji. He is on bed for last 8 months. So no chance for him.
    Sonia Gandhi is out of question as people will not accept her.
    Rahul is a baccha ( KID ) in front of all those stalwarts ( old and experience wolves ).

    Contest should be only between MMS and Advani.

    Though i would have loved to see Modi on PM HOT seat.



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  • vinzen
    08-18 11:21 PM
    This is not "Indian" thread. It is purely a North Indian thread. He is popular only in North of India.

    And which part of india are you from?





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  • andy007
    07-04 11:11 AM
    Please post good reliable estimate of cost for applying with ALL possible break ups. I know the following only!

    Cost of applying = application fee ($795 ??) + Lawyer fee + others (= medical + pictures + ...)

    Also, which parts are lost if we have to re-apply!

    Application Fee : Main Applicant : $375.00 (Application Fee) + $70.00 (Finger Print) + $50.00 (Fedex) + Medical Exam ($250.00) + Photos ($40.00) + Lawer Fee ($1500.00) and if we have any dependent same thing except Application fee and Lawer fess ($325.00 (Application Fee) + 500$ Lawer Fee)

    All Togther : $2285.00 and calling here and there almost $2500.00 Per Person .... any other information please ask us........ thanks



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  • chantu
    03-30 03:05 PM
    Again...I am not supporting congress. Yes, we didnt have anything for the last 60 years. Because of MMS we are going to see something in another 20 years. Is there anything you can give me Mr.Advani's vision about it. Even after fifty years.

    Whether we like it or not....nothing is going to change for the common man. Advani, Jaya, Karuna, Maya and mulayam all are same shit but different a$$ h&^e.

    I am supporting MMS because he is not a politician. Chose the less evil. nothing else.

    Nathan, it is not about MMS, it is about congress. MMS is just a puppet as he was during Narasimha Rao's govt.

    Can you tell us with 100% surety that MMS will not get replaced by Rahul Gandhi after 2 years?





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  • immi_twinges
    07-10 11:37 AM
    Its pathetic that people have to start all over again.
    If necessary .. will do and are not afraid.

    But we should bring byeusa story to medias attention.

    Otherwise jerks like Lou Dobbs utter nonsense which make general people believe that Immigrants over stay and become illegals if they do not GC in time:mad:



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  • nogc_noproblem
    07-16 01:37 AM
    That means, the horizontal spill-over (EB1->EB2->EB3) is the way to go and EB2 I & C will move forward healthily until it becomes current.

    So gurus,
    The progress has been better than this analysis - so where does this leave us?
    Any more thoughts?





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  • kavita
    02-13 07:20 PM
    Hi,
    I like the idea but I believe at this time it is crucial to continue participation in the letter campaign. If we do not get success through it, I will be glad to participate in the lawsuit. Also, like me, at that time there might be hundreds of people willing to be a part.



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  • eb3_nepa
    06-27 11:40 PM
    Yes. Agreed. But what this means is that if they approve too many cases then they may issue August bulletin with retrogressed dates. And that's fine because they can do that and everyone expects dates to retrogress either in August bulletin or in subsequent bulletin.

    Which portion of the Ombudsman report says that "In the middle of the month for which bulletin is already out there with current dates, they can just stop accepting applications and sort of "REVISE" an already issued bulletin".

    WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT ???

    And I am still looking for source of information where in the middle of the month for which a bulletin was already issued in preceding month, USCIS chose to stop accepting petitions and not honor the bulletin issued by DOS with current dates.

    I am seeing a lot of copy-paste from lawyers websites but NONE, I repeat, NONE has a government website URL or any official source.

    Those who still want to believe can choose to believe this. It will make people file on July 1st, if its in their hands. If its in the hands of HR department and company lawyers, it will make them raise their blood pressure until the lawyer sends them an email on July 25th that the Fedex went out today.

    I believe that regardless of what August bulletin shows, July bulletin on DOS website applies to month of July all the way thru July 31st and as long as you file before July 31st, you are fine.

    I made myself look like an idiot by asking such questions to my lawyer, who is already going nuts over the suddenly sky-rocketing workload of 485 petitions. There is another guy who made a fool of himself by asking the lawyer this question.

    And people keep posting new updates and baseless sources to add credence to this baseless rumor. Suit yourself.

    Logiclife,

    I agree with what you say. However I dont see any evidence on the USCIS/DOS website that says that USCIS/DOS CANNOT change the dates mid-month either. THAT part is worrying me (and everyone).





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  • _TrueFacts
    09-04 08:05 PM
    I deeply care about what is happening in my motherland. But this is not the right forum to discuss these issues. Immigration voice is a organization that represents skilled immigrants seeking to emigrate to US and I believe the type of conversation in this thread is not representative of legal immigrant's views (including the majority from India). What we post on open forum is available to everyone and can be used against us in future for propaganda purposes.

    I will probably not respond to future posts but I request admins to consider closing and deleting this thread.

    Better then, world will know about people like YSR and how much we care about good governance.





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  • morchu
    06-01 12:45 PM
    In a way the whole process have no logic.

    to list a few......

    Companies recruiting for a "permanent job" 10+ years in future !!!
    DOL making sure that this 10+ years future job doesn't replace any US citizen !!!
    DOL making sure that the salary is good for this "10+ years future job", using the current data.
    Ohh... and expecting the person to remain in the same/similar job and not receive much hier salary even after 15 years.
    DOS making sure "ethnic mix" by a "country based limit", so if "India" is divided into 100 different small nations, everyone of them will get GC really fast (even though they are all in same ethnic).


    These Employment verification letter RFE and same and semilar job requirement were not framed assuming it takes a person from India 10+ years to get a green card. There were framed assuming it takles 2 to 3 years to get a green card.





    Jerrome
    05-12 03:56 PM
    Tamils live the same life as Sinhala and Muslims, if you're visited sri lanka you would see that. Schools are open to everyone within their respective distances, tamils conduct business same as muslims and sinhala. What you're discussing is something that happened when the country was given independance and the sinhala policy came into act. This is not the case anymore in sri lanka, if it was all the tamils in the country would have moved to the north where their so called saviors were fighting.

    Oops i may be living in a parallel world. I failed to see the people in yalpanam and triconmole living peacefully with equal rights.

    FYI i have been to SL twice(2003 & 2005) to colombo and yalpanam(Pls don't comeback at me calling me as LTTE).
    Have you ever been to yalpanam and triconmole while you were in SL.





    pmat
    06-12 09:30 AM
    2nd best engineering college in Rajasthan? There were 25 states in India , now including IITs, & NITs and BITS, that would make it, atleast 30 colleges in India which are better than yours. And here we are just talking of engineering colleges. Not even mentioned about medical or others. So yours would be like probably 50th best college in India. That is certainly not the best and brightest. I am from top 10 engineering colleges of India at the time.

    My brother is a gold medalist in CS from India's top NIT and has done MS here from top 10 universities. My wife has also done MS from here (top 20 school) with a good GPA.

    So give up ur GC now for recapture and go back! The better and brighter are waiting for it behind you.

    What do you mean by not being a public burden? You will still eat up a job , that can be retained for India's best and brightest, in case you do return due to economy or healthcare factors here.

    Dude... he is talking about the second best engineering college in India that is located in Rajasthan.. aka - BITS Pilani (my guess).